Was Haleigh Strangled in Trailer?
By Art Harris, The Bald Truth, (c) www.artharris.com, all rights reserved
Tune in Nancy Grace Friday night (just switched) at 8 and 10 p on HLN when we’ll be discussing the latest revelation in the mystery of missing and presumed murdered Haleigh Cummings: Tommy Croslin’s claim his Tennessee cousin, Joe Overstreet, strangled her in her father’s Satsuma, Florida where he dropped by to steal a prized machine gun Ronald Cummings had showed off a few days earlier.
Overstreet denies any involvement, but Croslin’s lawyer, James Werter, said that’s what his client told law enforcement in April. “He didn’t actually see it,” Werter told The Bald Truth Thursday night, “but that’s what he speculated happened,” based on being there and riding to the river with Overstreet.
He said Overstreet was bossing around his very stoned client, high on Xanax, and because “he held the door for Joe, police threatened him with accessory to murder charges” if he didn’t reveal more information.
Werter believes Tommy might have coughed up other details had that threat not been made–and prosecutors offered his client immunity. But no deal was on the table, so he ordered his client to be silent unless he was present for interviews.
The Bald Truth has reported Croslin rode in the van with Haleigh’s body, and Overstreet driving only after cousin Joe threatened to kill him and his whole family, including wife and children, Misty and even his grandmother, Flora Hollars. That’s the only reason he went along, said Werter, who denied Croslin helped the alleged killer in any way, except to hold the door open.
Werter said Putnam County investigators taunted Croslin he’d get convicted of accessory to murder charges, and get strapped down for a lethal injection if he didn’t reveal more. That’s why he ordered him silent.
“My advice to him is, ‘Don’t talk,'” Werter told News4Jax. “They’re threatening felony murder charges. How can I let him talk if he says he held the door open for Joe when they carried Haleigh’s body out of the house. I can’t make him an accessory after the facts of these little threats.”
Werter told me he believed prosecutors could have gotten more details from Croslin had he been offered immunity, as requested. But no deal was on the table. One source tells me, however, he may still have a chance to cough up more before he goes off to prison to begin serving 15 years on a recent drug trafficking conviction and argue he’s provided substantial cooperation.
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Croslin’s family has told The Bald Truth Overstreet was fuming after they pulled Cummings off him one night, after he accused Joe of stealing another gun that was recovered, which turned out to be the gun Misty kept under her pillow. “I had to get between them,” Hank Croslin, Sr. told The Bald Truth months ago. “Joe swore he’d get even.”
At the time, Joe denied he’d stolen the gun, and Cummings seemed to forget about it when Croslin’s family found it outside her parents’ house. Chelsea Croslin, her sister in law, tells The Bald Truth, she and Misty actually found it in the yard all muddy, but Tommy pointed out a drainage pipe that runs under the driveway of his parents former house, claiming that’s where Joe planted it…Joe denied he stole that gun.
As for the machine gun, an automatic weapon, Cummings loved to show it off as part of his swamp gangster arsenal that he usually kept secret. It was his pride and joy, friends tell The Bald Truth. Over beers with Tommy and Joe a few days earlier, he pulled it out of a bedroom closet to show off.
Sources close to to the case tell me investigators have recovered a machine gun resembling the one Cummings had, but the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office denied any machine gun owned by Cummings was in their possession.
“That’s news to me,” Lt. Johnny Greenwood told The Bald Truth several weeks ago. My sources speculated that had it been recovered and Joe Overstreet’s prints found on it from that night of beer and bragging, it would have shored up Tommy and Misty’s credibility, at least a tiny bit.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
"based on being there, and riding to the river with Joe"….IMO Tommy didn't assume she was strangled…He was close enough to see that she was, being in close proximity to her in the car.. If Tommy were truly innocent wouldn't he disassociate himself from these scenarios, and Joe? I don't believe LE threatened Tommy with felony murder charges… all because he held the door for Joe, LE threatened him with felony murder? I seriously doubt it.. Tommy didn't give up more info because there was no more, at least no reliable info…IMO Tommy, Timmy, and possibly Misty disposed of Haleigh after another person killed her…accidentally.. I don't believe she is in the river…I think is was buried in the ground within a two mile radius of the trailer home.. Joe is the scapegoat, and has been from day one..No one likes Joe, not even his Granny..He's an easy target..When it's all over, I hope he sues every one of the bunch for defamation of character, and first in line, Granny Flo…There's a lot of hatred in that woman. Regardless of what circumstances her grandchildren find themselves in, you don't go on national tv talking so horribly about them, at least not in my world..
August 19th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Hi Art. Every day is bringing something new, even though with that brings more questions, some things are starting to become clearer. It's been a long process with a ways to go. Getting them in jail was brilliant and the patience of LE impressive. We have seen this unfold and at times it's seemed like this case will never be solved, but now it's looking very possible. I know there are many people who think this is on the wrong track and it didn't happen like this at all, but i am not one of them. I see Misty as a teenager in a world of trouble and underneath the hard surface is a scared little girl. Because of that, i think she is telling the truth but only to an extent. They will all hold back to diminish their roles as much as they can. I have a few more comments and questions for my next post.
August 19th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
I know that as long as Haleigh is not found, the whole entire family will keep spitting out lies as fast as they can. If cousin joe did what they are saying now, how can a family of carnival workers become afraid of a 150 pound want-to-be thug? It sounds like they are all in on it and will say anything to blame one another to try to get out of jail.
Art, If joe put Haleigh in a bag after she died wouldn't there be bodily fluids seaping out from her organs shutting down? Was it a waterproof bag? I know the FDLE had that van for months, so if joe did what misty and tommy are saying, they would have plenty of DNA in the van. Or if she was killed in the trailer that night, wouldn't Junior have also heard Haleigh screaming? Or would there be some kind of bodily fluid transfer from the trailer to the van? I know the police are smart, so I am assuming they have asked these questions and have the answer, they are just waiting until they have all of their ducks in a row.
August 21st, 2010 at 11:30 am
Why was the dumpster searched at night with lights instead of waiting until daylight? Why didn't they post it as a crime scene until daylight? Does anyone know? Just thought it should have been "real light." Don't know.
August 19th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
WOW,i think if the words," my client passed a polygraph" were attached to any statements that werter and fields put out of what their clients have said to them might help, yah think? i will not believe anything any of them say,clients or attorneys…actually reading this article enraged me and sickened me, that tommy or misty wouldn't look past their own selfish arses in the begining and help haleigh, save haleigh ,protect haleigh or even care a little bit,now this poor little girl is probably dead ,such an injustice for her,they jus keep killing her over and over with different lies,and now the attorneys are joining in,i refuse to ever believe its from lack of education,drug addiction ,how their parents raised them .i believe its from lack of heart,so so sad for haleigh,GOD REST HER SOUL PLEASE.P.S.i will give putnam police thumbs up for not letting tommy use her in anymore lies for a get out of jail free card AGAIN.thanks art for keeping us updated.
August 19th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
hey art off the topic but what does that little square box to the right of a users name mean with different numbers in it and sometimes its lit up yellow? like right now mine reads 28p and its yellow,just wondering .thanks
August 20th, 2010 at 1:42 am
really don't know…this is a new system for me, too. tx
August 19th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Great story Art, per usual.
I feel the same toward this "Tommy yarn" as I have for all the others, from all the "others". There's probably a lick of truth in it but not the whole truth and nothing but!
Don't you think Ron would have "taken care of" Joe by now if this were true? Or, do you think Ron may be a lot of bark and no bite?
I somehow feel Ron is more involved in this. The 90+ calls to Misty that night into the morning keeps nagging at me.
Thanks for being there, Art.
August 20th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
This certainly is a difficult puzzle. I have been so sure of Ron's innocence, then when I read about the 90+ calls to Misty . . . . that is excessive. I am convinced that we may never find out what happened to poor Haleigh.
August 20th, 2010 at 12:40 am
Why strangled? Here's the talk amongst those who know Ron, Misty and thier whole families. (I know, I've heard a BUNCH of theories, too, but this is the one that all the peices fit).
Joe and Tommy came over to obtain a gun that Misty was supposed to secure for them. When they arrived, she had located it (some say that when they arrived, Misty had not gotten to it because Ron was there – whichever.). No big deal, they all hung around and got high(er) together. Haliegh was unsupervised (not an uncommon event) and was located at some point later – deceased.
August 20th, 2010 at 12:41 am
She had taken Rx pills and od'd. Ron was either there, needing to leave for work, or already at work when he instructed Misty to dispose of the body and clean the house up. (they were his pills – he knew he'd get prison time for it). He was devastated and frantic. He told Misty to handle it and that he did not want to know where or how she did it, just do fast. He suggested if she got tommy and joe to help, she would need to tell them that the pills she took were the ones they left here, that will keep them quiet about it.
August 20th, 2010 at 12:41 am
She did. Ron was paniked and called her cell 90 times while he was at work. Finally, she called back to let him know it was done and the house was clean. As previously worked out, they planned that Ron would return home from work and notice his daughter missing, wake Misty and then call 911. When he arrived, they skipped a step – they ruffled a few things for the appearence that a fast search had taken place, placed a brick at the back door and called 911.
This makes sense. Misty will die before she turns on Ron. Ron will remain silent b/c the pills were his. Tommy and Joe stay silent b/c they think the pills were thiers and they disposed of the body. If none of this had anything to do with Ron… he'd be talking! And by the way, their friends roll their eyes at the media over the marriage thing. It had nothing to do with them thinking they wouldn't have to testify against each other …. Misty married Ron b/c she is obsessed with him. Ron married Misty to silent all the attention his relationship with a 17 year old "babysitter" was getting. That worked too, not another word was said about it after they married.
This make sense to you, too?
August 20th, 2010 at 1:38 am
We broke that ron made more than 90 calls here at The Bald Truth, but unless you have sources who we don't, no one has been able to prove why. Yet. but you've got a decent theory working, let's make sure we call it that. for now. tx Art
August 20th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
lurker–you can only go with what reliable sources tell you; if KP is right, or if my sources were accurate or not, it will all come out as you said, at the trial of the killer or killers, we hope. Then perhaps we might understand if certain details were made available as a smokescreen for those investigators suspected all along…or not. Art
August 20th, 2010 at 12:49 am
Overstreet would have had to be a heartless monster to kill a man's daughter over a beating by Cummings. Anything is possible, of course. Then, Tommy and Misty could have turned this information over to the Sherrif Dept and investigators BEFORE he and she were busted with drugs and confined in jail. This has been an intriguing story, but I'm still not certain the story fits what actually happened. Both Tommy and Misty must exhibit some deathly fear of Joe Overstreet. I will watch Friday night for more possible developments.
August 20th, 2010 at 1:38 am
It might sound far fetched but is it possible LE in Tenn have the rifle? I ask b/c they were recently there and from many sources we know Joe liked guns as much as the others. I expected they would find illegal weapons if they ever searched JO's home, it seems possible they could have but didn't release that information. As for TC wanting immunity..pfft. By his own admission he was there and did nothing to protect Haleigh. I believe it's the right people and the right place, but M and T are leaving out their actions when they tell what happened. I think RC did call TC and he went there but got no answer, Tommy called Joe and planned to go get the rifle, after that is when everything happened to Haleigh. All three are responsible, i think LE are on the right track but it's going to take one of the three to tell a detailed account. I obviously don't know this as fact, just my perception from all i've read and heard. I hope one of them just tells the truth whatever the truth is soon, they must know LE isn't going to stop until they get the truth. JMHO.
August 20th, 2010 at 4:17 am
If Joe really knew what happened, don't you think he would tell? All of the accusations against him should make him madder than a wet hen…He would tell.. I just don't see a 100+ pound weakling escaping the wraths of Ron if he had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance.. Big bad Ron was going to kill whomever took her, "I don't care, if I find him before the cops get here I'm killing him"…I think they decided to pick Joe as the culprit because he is a cousin, not a sibling (Tommy, Timmy Misty) Misty and her brothers stick together, and always will… If they aren't involved, why are they protecting the perp? Misty loves Ron and will protect him.. Tommy and Timmy love Misty and will protect her.. Nobody loves Joe…Let's get Joe… Everybody loves Haleigh, and that is why we want this solved… IMO
August 20th, 2010 at 4:40 am
In the first article where it says "Tommy didn't see it but specualted", are they kidding? Tommy isn't intelligent enough to put together the facts to speculate. That's just laughable. Furthermore, how did Tommy hold the door open if it was held open with a cinder block? I am so glad they didn't give him, or any Croslins, immunity. All those pillbillys need to go to jail until they are an old, old age.
I also think 911caller has a good theory. I heard another variation that has to do with Teresa Neves, Ron's mom. Haleigh was with her and she dropped her off to Misty that evening but Haleigh had od'd on her watch and on her drugs. Then Teresa brought her to Ron's so Ron could get rid of the body, which he put on Misty since he had to go to work. Misty enlisted Tommy and Joe was with Tommy so he helped. I would like to see more of Ron's family in jail and see what information comes out. They're all pillbillys too. Thanks Art! Will be watching NG Friday night!!
August 20th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Seriously, they should talk to Jr. again. Get crystal sheffield to let this child be questioned. there is absolutely no way this kid doesn't know anything, or slept through anything that happened. This kid has to know something. I agree with all, it is devastating to think that Misty, Tommy, and possibly even Ron have covered this up. Especially Tommy, who has kids that were her age. Ron is involved. No doubt about it. It just seems weird the guy hasn't accused anyone, or even cried since the day after Haleigh went missing. He is the master manipulator in this. This is so sad.
August 20th, 2010 at 11:31 am
It’s a miracle that nothing happened to Jr. that night. Something has to give, for Haleigh’s sake. They need to question Jr. again. My dog’s have a better bed than Haleigh had. A dirty matress and pillow on the floor.
I believe all three had a part in it; need to bring Joe in. Please keep us informed. All three, plus Ron are involved.
August 20th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
If this is what happened that night, I think it all happened very fast. I don't think that either Misty or Tommy is really afraid of Joe, but they might have been afraid at that time of somebody who was in a drug-fueled rage. They certainly wouldn't have expected that Joe was going to kill Haleigh! If this did happen and Joe was flying off the handle, then it's not illogical that Misty would have tried to get the kids out of the way. She may have been closest to Jr and only able to grab and hide one. She may have expected that Tommy would have been able to intervene and help Haleigh.
While Joe was in a frenzy because of his anger, Tommy may have been drowsey and dizzy from Xanax and not really aware of what was happening. If he were not on drugs, there is no doubt in my mind that he would easily been able to take on Joe. It all happened fast and Joe ordered Tommy around, so Tommy groggily followed Joe to the van. I don't think he was really aware of what was happening and was in a dream-like state.
August 20th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Misty would have had no way to know what exactly transpired and most likely thought that Joe had just taken the child to scare her. I doubt that she for a minute thought that Haleigh was dead. I think that this is why she called both Tiommy and Tommy. She wanted to know where Joe was, so to find Haleigh. She also knew that Ron was bound to come home soon, and i don't think she wanted to admit that 1) she had allowed Joe into the trailer at 2 am, 2) that the purpose was to steal Ron's gun, and 3) that Joe had taken Haleigh. So she staged a break-in and claimed that someone unknown had taken Haleigh. I'm sure she thouigh that the child would be returned the next morning. I'm sure this is why she went and hung posters the next day with Joe. It gave her a chance to ask him where the he** was Haleigh! Who knows what lame story Joe told her.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Aligoo–
I like the way you are thinking out of the box! Good stuff…I can tell you she says he threatened her the next day…art
August 20th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
The next morning, Tommy probably wasn't sure whether this all happened or if it was a dream. Tommy and Misty must have gotten together as soon as they got a chance to talk about what really happened that night. At some point, Tommy took Misty to the dock and showed her where he saw Joe headed with Haleigh that night. I can believe this story is true, but my question is – did Tommy go to the right dock…?
August 20th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
aligoo–
thats why LE took Misty back to the river, to see if she could confirm it was the dock tommy had taken her to and explained, purportedly, where he claimed Joe had dumped the body that night. art
August 20th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
This Whole Family & Lot of this Group of Scum just amaze me on how they can keep all these secrets amongst themselves and still wanna live. What possess a person to be this way?
I'm still sick over the facts, the lying and no where is Haleigh. Not even Jail time is putting them into a scare cause they don't care.
August 20th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Anyone in Tommy's family that is in fear of Joe's retaliation should rest assured that with this much public awareness of him, evidence against him would not be heresay so he would be stupid to carry out any such thing. I have been 'arguing' with levi about this, he thinks I'm wrong, but this is exactly what I have said from the get go. Reason or not, Joe leaving there the next day and NEVER coming back convinced me. As well if he had nothing to do with this and in fact it had not happened, Joe would have been back for that machine gun. and he became very sensitive to the topic as witnessed by Grandma Flo. Everyone keeps saying that she lies like the rest of them, Levi accusing her of protecting Misty and Tommy and that her story keeps changing but it never did. Yes she told more than one story but only as they were told to her by Misty and Tommy. Since heating the Joe story, she has stuck with that as the most likely truth of what she has heard.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Trudy–You are right on. I was speaking with Flo and writing about her for months before the shows reached out and she has been consistent, as you point out, reporting what her grandkids tell her, whether true or not. Art
August 20th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Misty killed Haleigh either accidentally or on purpose and Tommy helped get rid of the body. They then tried to stage a fake kidnapping by propping up the back door with the cinder block. By admitting the truth, Misty stands to spend more time in jail, not less so why would she implicate herself? She is trying to make it appear that she was nothing more than an innocent bystander so that Ron will not hate her.
Tommy cannot afford to come forward for the same reasons. Better to plead out to a drug charge and give up 15 years than to spend the rest of his life locked away with the hope that Lindsay will continue to stand by him.
If, and it is a big if, Joe was even there, he was probably sitting alongside Tommy in the truck when they dumped the body in the water. Otherwise whatever tale Misty is now spinning does not make sense. But even that scenario is suspect since I would think he would have given that up by now to spare his own skin.
It's Misty from the beginning with Tommy coming along to clean the mess up.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
pat–excellent thinking..TBT posters are on the ball tonight! art
August 20th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
I recall a long time ago reading that Ron took the gun to work with him that night. Do you remember that? Recently it was stated that Joe hit Misty and had molested her. What about this. Ron tore into Misty when she returned. She told him she did not want to babysit. He got really mad and started hitting on her, Haleigh stepped in the middle and Ron tossed her and she hit her head and died. Ron put Haleigh in the black bag and put her in the truck, on his way to work tossed her out. He kept calling Misty to make sure she was on the same page with Ron. He went as far as marrying her to keep her quiet.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
snakes–not a bad theory…art
August 21st, 2010 at 11:14 am
Art, I agree with you. "NOT A BAD THEORY REFERRING TO SNAKES."
August 21st, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Misty didn't have any obvious marks or bruises on her from Joe or Ron. Misty never answered any of Ron's calls as per Kim P. Do you really believe Ron could toss his daughter out on the way to work? There is no husband/wife privilege in Florida in the case of a missing child. They aren't married now and haven't been for a almost a year but still Misty is quiet about Ron? Neither Croslin has implicated Ron to date.
August 20th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
I am truly amazed at the thought that went into this charade. All with the intent of covering up the truth. That is why it is so darn hard to find the truth. Drugs are the key. Ron I am sure was a key player in narking quite a few high dealers. What if he and Misty know who did this, and why? Would they tell? The police would know, because Ron worked for them. Lots of snakes and rats out there swing both ways in the drug world, and I don't mean sexually. Do you recall when Ron said, she is not a thing you just take, she is my daughter. I think for Ron, payback is hell. Just my opinion.
August 20th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
I have been following this story from the beginning. My interest in continuing to follow this story is I eagerly await justice for Haleigh. I could be wrong, but I believe Ronald Cummings was genuinely sincere with his reaction to the disappearance of his little girl. I also believe that Misty and Tommy have been telling bits and pieces of the truth from the beginning. I believe that the whole family is scared of Overstreet and that he is crazy. I think the family has seen just how crazy he is from time to time. I remember Junior saying that someone in black came in and took his sister. That story was quickly over-run by the child abuse allegations and Junior was probably scared into silence. Also, Overstreet was a suspect in the very beginning and I believe law enforcement botched the investigation and didn't take it seriously. I don't think Misty told Ronald the truth about Overstreet because she was afraid Ronald would go after him and end up dead himself. In my opinion, when Overstreet finally goes to jail for his drug charges and no longer poses a threat to them, the truth will finally come out.
August 20th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
****All these men killing women and women killing kids, tthis world has become an evil, vial, venomous gate to hell.. It is sad & scarey to live in these times. God is CA$H & kindness is dead!
August 20th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Just a quick mention..Zanax causes people to fall asleep .Not get high. Also., if in fact she was in the van..would there not have been evidence of some sort ?
August 20th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
LauraMarie–
Good question: cops have not released any tests results from the van, BUT the fact no arrests have been made suggests nothing of worth was found. Even if Haleigh's DNA had been in the van, it was the family van she'd been in many times before. Even if she was dead, as Tommy said, and laying across the back seat enroute to the river, it was the same seat she'd sat on before, maybe bounced on and played with JR. They were pretty rambunctious….what they did find was deer blood. But Tommy claims yellow rope he had in the van was missing after Joe brought it back to Chelsea's…art
August 21st, 2010 at 11:11 am
Art, Since it wasn't deer season, I wonder if Joe killed a deer and disposed of it in a bag, tied it with yellow rope from TC's, attached a cinder block and threw it in the river so that he wouldn't get charged with killing a deer out of season. Afterall, Joe knew he would be leaving the next day and didn't want to end up in the county jail for the "crime." Tommy Croslin is lying again and so is Misty. mo There is one, my opinion, who is guilty of hurting little Haleigh worse than intended. What about the Memorial Bridge balloon release? I don't recall that bridge ever mentioned before now. Memorial Bridge! huh Keep up your great coverage, Art.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
It appears they all are involved in some manner. Misty tell 911 door wide open and brick keeping the storm door open. Now she say she cowered under the covers with Jr and heard the door shut and then heard the van door shut. Hmm that alone just screames LIAR. Ron has to know something listen to him in the 911 call "they took my daughter" not where is my daugher. Lastley he say "why you let them take my child bitch" Does anyone remember this but me. He know something or he would not have plead guily to drug charges with the possiblity of 2 of the charges being dropped when he testifes in future trials. Just something to think about.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Jump in bed and cover up your head is an old timers expression that was used when I was growing up in the '40s. IMO Joe"s intention was to sell Haleigh for money for drugs and revenge. The blood hounds traced her scent to the river. Later cadaver dogs hit on her dead scent in the dumpster. Someone brought her back to that dumpster and someone took her away from it later. Noone searched the dumpster for days. I'm beginning to doubt that she was ever disposed of in the river. I still believe Mist's first story. Why did she fail the polygraph s? Wasn't it some months later when she was given them? All that time she was with Ron and I'm sure he hammered into her that it was her fault. She is broken and she's sticking with whatever the lawyer is telling her and Tommy's story. Am I the only one that believes her? So far I have heard nothing to change my mind and factors coming out that make me more sure that her original statement is the truth.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
I stand by my conviction that Misty Croslin never hurt little Haleigh! Post or don't post!
August 21st, 2010 at 11:31 am
Miranda, I feel the same way.
August 20th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
. A few things to point out. A Sykes said she was there about 7ish and the kids and Misty were on the porch having dinner and the kids ran up to her. Unless this great-grandmother lied, haleigh was alive and seemed fine at that point. To me, that rules out the idea RC had involvement before he left for work. Also, someone had to have put a cinder block in the van IF the river story is true since TC said Joe tied her to a cement block. Werter says TC admits to holding the door open for Joe, but which door? TC was a major thief, use to propping doors open to carry things out of homes, but maybe Joe was too? I'm not sure Misty even saw what was propping the door open based on her description to 911. She said a "brick, like a brick on the floor". People may use small bricks for flooring but not cinder blocks. She may have seen from a distance the door but not close enough to see the cinder block, that would mean she wan't the one who did that part. This sounds like they took HC out the back door ensuring no neighbors saw anything, and TC did what he knows best, propped the door open. JMO
August 20th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
A few things to point out. A Sykes said she was there about 7ish and the kids and Misty were on the porch having dinner and the kids ran up to her. Unless this great-grandmother lied, haleigh was alive and seemed fine at that point. To me, that rules out the idea RC had involvement before he left for work. (and don't forget misty and tommy smoking a joint about 6 pm…) also, someone had to have put a cinder block in the van IF the river story is true since TC said Joe tied her to a cement block. (lots of cinder blocks down by the dock…used to keep boat trailers from going into the St John's River)… TC admits to holding the door open for Joe, but which door? TC was a major thief, use to propping doors open to carry things out of homes, but maybe Joe was too? I'm not sure Misty even saw what was propping the door open based on her description to 911. She said a "brick, like a brick on the floor". People may use small bricks for flooring but not cinder blocks. She may have seen from a distance the door but not close enough to see the cinder block, that would mean she wan't the one who did that part. This sounds like they took HC out the back door ensuring no neighbors saw anything, and TC did what he knows best, propped the door open. JMO
August 23rd, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Thanks Art for reminding me Tommy had been there before Sykes to smoke a joint with Misty. That sort of answers my question about how far TC's home was from RC's too, walking distance easily. I found it odd Joe picked up TC that night as TC has said. Thanks also for the info on cinder blocks near the river, didn't know that. If i recall right, it was Dec when M & T went to the site, is it logical that Misty would wait 10 months to ask Tommy what happened? I don't get that. it doesn't really make sense to me.
August 20th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
How do we really know Tommy had taken xanax that night, because he said so? I think it's an excuse he's using to use the "i don't remember" excuse. Seems to be such a common theme among these people.
August 21st, 2010 at 4:09 am
If a person has your children and you can not get them on the phone you will make 98 phone calls trying to get ahold of them.
August 21st, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Art, when I asked the question "Did Tommy have the right dock?", I meant when he took Misty there to show her the spot that he remembered from that night. If he remembered it incorrectly and showed her the wrong dock, then when Misty took LE there all she did was confirm the wrong dock that Tommy took LE to. Unfortunately, it's expensive, but LE might be wise to search around some other nearby docks – particularly if other family members (such as Hank Sr, Timmy, or even Ron C) might know of other places that Joe had gone to fish.
August 22nd, 2010 at 1:30 am
Aligoo–There were others, and even Ron showed me one where he said Joe like to throw deer meat in the water and watch gators feed, remarked "this would be a great place to get rid of a body." Didn't I report that long ago…? -art
September 2nd, 2010 at 12:55 am
just to clarify something…xanax abuse causes rages, so I bet that Tommy was the one raging.
September 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 am
How can you guys put down Granny Flo, for telling what she has heard? The stories, themselves, might not be true, but I think she's being truthful, in what she has heard. And this is my point…so many people have condemned these people for not talking, but when somebody does finally speak up, you are offended because she's not loyal to her family? Well, I'm sorry, but there is a dead little girl to consider, & that takes precedence over that 'blood is thicker than water' crap. If not a family member to speak up, who do you expect it to be? It's not like this murder was committed in front of a bunch of unrelated bystanders.