Vote For Rev. Wright…To Host Sat. Night Live!
By Bald Truth Staff, (c) www.artharris.com, all rights reserved
“Let me respond in a non-bombastic way,” Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Jr. said, mocking himself and critics with a wink and a grin to applause and hoots at the National Press Club.
Some got it, some didn’t, but Obama’s pastor was serving up a caustic primer on how black preachers and their flocks relate to each other, and how it can be so easily misunderstood and exploited by the media–and rival candidates sparking America to recoil in ignorance.
To defuse The Rev, we’d like to see an invite to host SNL, where a diet of his brand of wit, would desensitize viewers and perhaps defuse brewing hostilty, much as James Brown did in Boston the night after Martin Luther King., Jr. was assassinated.
What people don’t understand, they fear, and boy, have Hillary and Wild Bill fueled the fire, two liberals who once rode the black vote to the White House, now seeding dark clouds of Obama Doubt with the help of Barack’s own Billy Graham…two leading Democrats locked in such a suicide grudge match, many believe it may help Sen. John McCain skate into the White House.
No offense, but some students of Lee Atwater’s Southern Politics 101 may wonder whether the Clinton’s may be taking a lesson from a neighboring governor, the late George Wallace, a master of conjuring she-devils behind every bush, sucking out the fear and turning it into votes. I will never forget his last campaign, tagging along to watch him rile up 7,000 farmers in a Dothan auditorium.
“We got de Washin’ton Post, the New Yoke Taaaams and Rooters (Reuters) with me tonight,” he said, artfully using the pointy-headed press corps as convenient props to jab hated Yankees and invoke fear of outsiders and the unknown among His People, White People, who loved him for it, bonding in ignorance, and believing all the while they were superior beings in a hostile world.
In an age of racial divides widened by a suicide grudge match between candidates in the alleged party of racial tolerance, Obama’s pastor could becomes the next Billy Graham to the next President…if his pastor makes it to Sat. Night Live and can turn fear into laughs.
May 2nd, 2008 at 3:36 am
The older Paster Wright gets,the more he cannot hide behind his religion,What he is saying,was inside him right along,his hate,his contempt for America.Obama,believe me,has the same feeling,except,he is cleaver enough right now to hide it.I do not believe a word he or hiis wife is saying,My hope is the good Lord,soon puts a end to human beings using him to profit themselfs.
May 2nd, 2008 at 8:03 am
I think you and the reverand are right on Art.Not many listened to the Reverands whole sermon they just heard the few second sound bite run over and over again and I for one am glad he has come out and defended his sermon.He put the whole thing into perspective.He served in the military which is more than I can say about some of our politicians.Thanks for the update and video on this.Come on SNL 1 down and counting as one fox show started saying about a count down
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:00 am
As Wright preached to the press club, pastors hit the pulpit to provoke introspection and right living, and if they prick the status quo, and spark debate, what’s the harm in that?
That was one message, along with his saying he didn’t expect his flock to march to his drum like sheep, but go their own way, and if Barack takes issue, he’s an adult, so what?
Got a chuckle out of Wright comparing his military service record with VP Cheney’s.–Art
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May 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Hmmm,
I saw the whole sermon and nothing was taken out of context.
Art,
Saying that Wright is funny is sort of like saying the KKK is funny. Neither of these groups should be allowed to spread their hate and predjudice. They should all be damned and in the end they will be.
Freedom of speech and freedom to gather or march is fine and well, but the line should be drawn for those that are pushing hate of any kind.
Has anyone checked out the background of this “pastor”? I did. I saw a biography of him ( including his studies on Islam) and it was pretty damning. I also saw quotes of him and a video where he was in a car and he was shouting things that were put in transcript for those who couldn’t make out what he was shouting. Wright cannot or should not be swept under the rug.
Wright also went to Libya with Farrakhan years ago. His religon leans very much toward Islam.
One thing that stood out in Wright’s ranting at that press club meeting was he kept shouting “change” sort of like Obama has been doing. I want to know if they are talking about the same kind of change. I hope not.
It matters not that Obama has now distanced himself from Wright, it’s too little too late. He belonged and attended that church for 20 years, listening to those hate sermons and don’t anyone give me that crap that he didn’t know anything about it. Cripes! I get the distinct impression that you would only have to be there once to listen to a sermon and know what he is really about. And to think of all the young impressionable minds that have been listening thoughtout the years. And if that wasn’t enough, he was taping the sermons and selling them to those who couldn’t be there, further spreading his hate.
Some of you Obama lovers had better open your eyes instead of making lame excuses for him and his “pastor”.
Another thing, Michelle Obama says she never felt more black than when she was at Princton. You want to know why? She did her best to stir up racism there among the other black students, who were there to just get an education. They for the most part dissed her. They were the smart ones. She was the troublemaker.
I’d like to know why Obama won’t have a one on one debate with Hillary, with no one asking them questions. Is he afraid she’d beat him? He also said a few months ago that he woudn’t go on Fox until after the primarys are all over. What is he afraid of? Michelle’s thesis has been “removed” from the college library until after the Nov. election. Why?
I see he is now going into nursing homes to talk to the older people. He found out that Hillary is getting the older vote. He wasn’t interested in the older folks or small town folks before. He left PA early on the day of the PA primary to run to Indiana. He should have tried to reach out to us small town people to try to win us over, but he again pushed us aside to head to Indiana and try his luck there.
Art, there are some serious questions you could be asking here instead of making a joke out of it. Obama is running for the presidency of the United States. This is a serious business.
May 2nd, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Hmmm
I got to listen to a full sermon. Politician Wright was not taken out of context, believe me!!
I did have a few good laughs, though. His humor did remind me of home.
Art, some may be “bonding in ignorance”, you will always have those.
There are those of us, however, who are offended by Wright and rightfully so. It is not fair to accuse all of us of ignorance, just because we do not agree with that kind of hateful preaching.
There is no comparison between Wright and Billy Graham. One is a politician, the other is a preacher.
May 2nd, 2008 at 7:36 pm
And of course I am sure Hillary cannot believe her luck with this whole issue becoming an issue!
She does seem a little careful to make too much about it, perhaps she has some in the closet herself!
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:12 pm
I love the Reverend and if it were not for him and his remarks good or not.people would not be questioning this new hope or hopeless Obama…. he is going to be the deciding factor in the election. there is a saying “Show me your friends and I will tell you who you are.”
In the words of John Elway the famous football player
You couldn’t have planned it more perfectly — no wind during the game, warm weather, a full moon — and now it pours, like a great, big release. I never, ever thought I would be the Super Bowl MVP.”
Well in my books this Reverend is the elections mvp, watch and see how it unfolds.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 pm
I felt with my post should come an explanation of my thoughts.I grew up in a rural area,a village of maybe 1600,when I was a child.There were no aferican american.mexican americans in the community at that time.untill I was bussed to high school I do not rememebr even seeing a person from either of these groups and even in a mid sized city ,and this is in the midwest,There were very few ,at that time from either of these groups. I was appalled when I found out during the civil rights marches about how The affican american people were treated in the south. I had never heard of such things as sitting at the back of busses or drinking at seperate fountains till then.I have never been to an so called”african american” church but it seems to me the reverand Wright is preaching not hate but tolerance for our fellow man.A do on to others as you would have them do on to you type of course.While I do not agree with all he has said I can see where he is comming from and where his Ideas came from.I live in the house my parents bought in the 1950’s in the same village but it has grown to 3 or 4 thousand becasue of subdivisions etc and there is now a more diverse population.Still I do not see the same bias I have heard about from Ohio and Pa.We all need to come together to make our country great in our own and others eyes again.The status quo is not the way to go.
May 3rd, 2008 at 4:43 am
Jeremiah, stay away from SNL and late night talk shows. Now is not the time for the good Rev Wright to be providing new red meat fodder for the anti-Obama forces out there. Timing is everything. Maybe in the new season after election day and before Christmas, an SNL cameo mocking himself would help diffuse his own public persona. Seeking redemption in the eyes of the media and public is Wright’s right. Truth be told, he already stands on his own merits.
May 3rd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
The way black pastors and their flock relate to each other is not what people are critizising.
My experience is that almost everybody, regardless of race, usually appreciate that aspect of the “black church”.
Most people are critizising the nature of Wright’s sermons. And in this instance, the fact that the flock seem to agree with that.
The argument that it is an attack against the black church and/or the way black pastors and their flock relate to each other are really just excuses to take away from the fact that Wright is offensive and that some people just do not agree with that kind of behaviour.
Wright is practizing apartheid in reverse. If he was heading a government he would govern exactly the way white South Africa did.
I can understand that Obama supporters want to defend him, though. But I do think the whole controversy was good for Obama. Hopefully it toughened him up a bit. Without it he would have been completely unprepared for what McCain has coming his way.
So do not pamper Obama too much, let him be bullied a little, he need to develop some musle for the most important job in the world.
He must remember for McCain it is now or never and he (McCain) will not let ANYTHING stand in his way. So if Obama cries about aunty Hillary, imagine what pappa McCain can do to him.
He should get back his sense of humor, that is the one thing I used to like about him. It seems that has completely dissappeared.
I thought he was the kind of person that would respond to the issues of race and his middle name with a whole lot of humor. Instead he seems to be reacting like a Mama’s boy, choosing to play the victim as and when necessary.
So I would say lighten up Mr President-to-be.
We would not want to walk on egg shells for the next 8 years in a country where it will be regarded as offensive to critizise your president or to mention his middle name because you maybe perceived as racist or anti-muslim. What that will do to freedom of speech!
May 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Hmmm: You really don’t make a whole lot of sense. I remember a comment of yours where you said something about the people in “the outter parts of PA”. Well I live in the “outter parts” of PA, lol, and I can tell you that we aren’t any differnet than any other part of PA or any other state for that matter. Really! And now you are saying that because PA and Ohio voted for Hillary, we are biased? OMG! I’ve never heard anything so stupid in my life! Someone has to win and someone has to lose in every state and it doesn’t make anyone who voted for the winner any more biased than those who voted for the loser. In your way of “reasoning”, are all the people in the states that Obama won in, biased also? Are they biased against Hillary? They must be in your mind, so why single out PA and Ohio? People are voting for the person they think will make the best president. Open up your mind and let the senseshine in. That reminds me of a little song we sang in Bible School called, Open up your Heart and Let the Sunshine in.
I have been rooting for Hillary long before I ever heard of Obama. I was hoping she would have run for president the last time. You have talked about all the scandal. Can you say Bill was not a good president? What about this idiot we have in the White House now? Was it people like you that put him in there? What in the devil do you think he has done to us all over the world, aside from selling us out to almost every other country on the planet, especially China? Cripes!!
And as for all this silly “bitter” stuff. I can assure you that most people aren’t bitter. That was something Obama made up to put us down. We are ANGRY (not bitter) and getting more angry listening to people with such closed and narrow minds. Some of you would do good to open up those closed minds and let the light of day in to clear out all those cobwebs.
At least McCain and Hillary are pro American!! How anyone can trust someone who won’t wear a flag pin just to show us that he is really for this country, is beyond me. I wonder how that veteran who gave Obama that flag pin feels since Obama took it off by the next day and refused to wear it again. I wonder if that vet will vote for Obama. Maybe he was testing Obama and Obama failed miserably. He also refuses to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem. That SHOULD make most people think a bit more about his patriotism, especially when he had to pledge his alliegence to another continent and one race, when he joined that “church”. I do understand why he won’t wear the flag pin. It would be a bit conflicting to wear an American flag pin while you are pledged to another continent. I will give him that. He is truly dedicated to his church and Africa and his race “first and formost” and I give him the credit due him for his faithfulness to those things. There is just one problem. What in the hell is he doing running for the presidency of THIS country?
Hmmm, you really should check out some of these things before you say anymore.
May 3rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Beverly #1 I agree with you. I heard the “Rev.” Wright talk about “change” the same way Obama has been talking about change, only Obama isn’t stating the exact “change” he has in mind. We’ll find out only after it’s too late, I’m afraid. I don’t think there should be any doubt in anyone’s mind that Wright is anti American and anti white. And there shouldn’t be any doubt in anyone’s mind that Obama knows EXACTLY what this church and this “pastor” is all about. They are both lying through their teeth about it.
Talk about Jim Jones and his kool-aid. Geeeesh! Now we have another one giving it out and people are following like little lambs to drink it. Wake up America, while you still have an America to wake up to.
May 3rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Senator Clinton and her husband had the reverand wright in the white house for prayer seseions during his impeachment process and the Flowers and Monica mess so they also believed in this man and listened to him.as for the underground weatherman Mr Clinton gave two of them pardons.Look up the Peter Paul federal court case.Senator Clinton now can wait untill after the Nov elections to be deposed in this case of fraud and by that time it may be to late.Also check into Pellicano and scroll thru the web links to see some of this mans clients and how he was hired to destroy peoples reputations for no real purpose other than political purposes.Every one should look at all the canidates with open eyes and ears.Politicans are just that politicians.Some are just worse than others.JMHO
May 3rd, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Hmm: Are you for real?
May 3rd, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Art: Have you been sipping some of that kool-aid?
May 3rd, 2008 at 6:35 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfqCyMU3mfo
May 3rd, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Joni you are saying that Michelle was the toublemaker when it was her roommates parents who didn’t want to share a room w/ her b/c she was black. hmm….. U make me laugh w/ all your bull crap. You are the reason racism is still alive and well today. Here I’ll help you out. Read this from somebody who was actually at school w/ Michelle.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/news/stories/2008/04/12/roommate_0413.html
May 4th, 2008 at 2:38 am
hmm:
I can understand how a sheltered life would have impacted you the way it did. It is understandable how you can feel sorry for the injustices and want to side with the reverend. But, be careful. Expand your horizons and go where the unsheltered people live. That reverend is a very dangerous man, stirring up trouble for his own self-service. He wants to get a racial civil war going so that he can beat his chest and say: “see, I told you how bad the whites are.” The religious fanatics who cannot think for themselves, will believe him and rise up to show what devils they are, just as the putrid wright.
That wright scumbag loves no one but his pathetic self, the mansion being built for him, and other riches he has acquired as a result of brainwashing his flock. Yea, of course, he has done good. So what? The good he has done in no way erases the bad he has been doing and continues to do. If there is such thing as the devil, may the devil drag wright by the horns and take him down with him before wright utters another ugly word.
Being in the service does not make anyone a saint. There are plenty of bad people in the service. Some manage to make it while others get in trouble for whatever they finally get caught doing. Those who join because they are sadistic and think of it as an opportunity to hone up on their future “dreams”, work toward their dreams. Think of that guy who took the underage boy under his wings, treated him as a son, and then went out on those killing sprees for the fun of it.
May 4th, 2008 at 2:53 am
Those sleepy heads rooting for Obama because there is “finally” a black man for the White House, will want to hide in their hole if and when(God forbid) Obama makes it to the White House. There would soon be a parade of Farrakhan, Jackson and other similar freaks demanding that the President do special favors for “his” people.
Obama does not consider himself biracial. His hatred toward his mother’s “people” makes it a rotten shame that his grandmother wasted her money on him and his fine education. His first thanks to his grandmother was the latching onto a troublemaker woman known as Michelle, who is Farrakhan’s clone.
May 4th, 2008 at 3:00 am
Joni, If you ever heard some of the conversations on Black radio or BET you’d probably run for the nearest bed to hide under! BELIEVE ME! If Black Americans took the words of people like Wright or Farrakhan literally, the White race would have been exterminated from this country YEARS ago!
Call it hate speech if you want, but MOST of what Wright said was historically accurate! We ARE the only country that has ever nuked another, and our long history of ACTIVLY interfering in the internal affairs of countries in the middle east, over throwing popular leaders and replacing them with puppet leaders that WE control, and our vow to support Israel no matter what she does or who she hurts, ignoring the fact that people WERE displaced when the UN, NOT GOD, gave the land that is now Israel to a group of European Jews in 1948. We act horrified because Saddam gassed the Kurds and the Iranians, but HE GOT THE STUFF FROM US! WE GAVE IT TO HIM! And we have the audacity to act as though we don’t understand why these people don’t like or trust us!
I have served this country, and have a back full of rods and screws that have left me permanently disabled to show for it! This country is based on a fraud! “All men are created equal”, “land of the free”, is BULL! This country was built on the graves of the Indians and the backs of the Africans, and to this day the government doesn’t even want to acknowledge the debt, somehow feeling that if they ignore the past, it will go away! Well, it WON’T and the sooner this country realizes that, faces its past and we start talking to each other about how that past has affected us, the sooner we CAN put it behind us!
May 4th, 2008 at 4:01 am
Art, You’re DEAD ON! I also remember Gov George (segregation yesterday, segregation today, segregation FOEVAH) Wallace! I wonder how many others on this forum a old enough to remember this scary figure. I CHEERED when someone put a bullet in his back! I remember a speech he made where he claimed that when Nixon went to China, he and Chairman Mao Tse Tung discussed BUSSING!
You’re also right about the Clintons! They took the Black vote for granted and were caught off guard when Iowa went for Obama proving to African Americans that Whites WOULD vote for a Black candidate, so voting for Obama wouldn’t be a waste! She has said over and over that he can’t win because the “blue collar lunch pail carrying white men” (ie the Archie Bunkers) won’t vote for him no matter what, but not ONCE has he even HINTED that he’s the better candidate because she’s a woman!
I find it interesting that some of your posters are so SURE that Obama hates whites and wants to destroy the country because he went to Wrights church, and that EVERY sermon was filled with hate. This is a bit scary as it shows people are all too willing to let someone else, someone they don’t even KNOW, do their thinking for them. Those sound bites were posted by someone wanting to smear Obama, just like the Swift Boaters torpedoed Kerry, and look what we got, just because way many Americans are too stupid and lazy to think for them selves! As for him not leaving the church,I’m catholic. I’m not going to leave my church because it behaved badly when confronted with the pedophile priest debacle, and I disagree with the Pope on most things.
May 4th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
It is way past high time this country paid more attention to the terrorists right here in this country. On the “high alert” list should be Sharpton, Wright, Farrakhan, Jackson and all the other idiots who scream from the top of their lungs to spread the word of “god”. Their god is in hell simmering the stew for their brainwashed followers.
People try to coddle the fanatics such as Sharpton, namely O’Reilly and whoever else tries to be kind to him by bringing him on TV for his views. Rather than realize that he is being coddled, he probably believes his views on different matters are truly important. In my opinion, this is being done to calm the fire-breathing monsters but I believe they actually think their opinions matter. Giving Sharpton and others air time does not calm their jumping nerves, but lead them to believe their jibberish is valuable.
Since nothing that has been done has calmed these dragons, it is time to use the same technique that is being used to rid Afghanistan of terrorists. This country needs to wake up and wise up.
It is high time this country becamemore attention is paid to the terrorists in this country
May 4th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I meant to delete the last sentence from my just-released comment. Sorry about that.
May 5th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
I was very concerned today when I turned on the TV this morning and caught the last couple of questions John Roberts was asking Obama. He asked him what he would do about Iran if things got heated up there. I don’t remember the exact wording but it had to do with nuclear weapons. Obama refused to answer. He said he didn’t want to speculate. He wasn’t being asked to speculate. He was being asked what he would do. He also gave the same answer to the next question and I can’t remember what that one was about, because I was still wondering why he wouldn’t answer the last one. I think we should all be told exactly what he would do if things got worse over there. Either he doesn’t know what he’d do, or he doesn’t want us to know. I don’t know which. But it was a ligitimate question and we all have a right to know.
They had Hillary on and asked her the same question and she answered it. Why wouldn’t Obama? We need to know what our potential president would do in a case like that. Everyone should want to know, BEFORE the president is elected! We don’t want to find out after it’s too late. I hope he will be asked that question again and I hope he will give an answer. He should have been pressed to answer it, but then that’s the way the media has been doing things with him from the beginning. Wait until McCain gets him. This is McCain’s last shot of becoming president and I don’t think he will hold out anything. It could be Hillary’s also and Obama should have had the sense to get a whole lot more experience before even contemplating running for the presidency. What is his rush? What is his real agenda? And why won’t he answer alot of the questions being asked him?
May 5th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Yikes! Jangie, you are downright scarey.
May 5th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Also Jangie, I detested Wallace as much as you, but I’d never cheer when anyone takes a bullet. Also not even ONE sermon should be full of hate. I would never go back to any church where the pastor gave a hate sermon.
I also noticed that on the webpage of that church, they “revised” their 10 point vision. It was exclusively for blacks only, but they now took out the word black.
Hopefully this is all I’ll say on the subject. I’m getting so tired of this whole political primary, I don’t even know if I want to vote in Nov. I don’t like politics to begin with.
Also Jangie, you mention Indians. I happen to be part Indian myself.
May 5th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Well said Jangie. Joni I’m also from Pa, not to far from Lancaster and around here people are bitter and upset w/ the way things are going in Washington. I also know that most people have said they would never vote for a black man and would rather see a women in the White House instead. They said they don’t care who the better choice is. Race does matter in Pa. Look at the race riots in a small town in Pa and the trials that happened a few years ago there. They have KKK mbrs and all kinds of hate groups flocking to that city all the time. It seems that the only person who is closed minded on this site is you. Oh and BTW since your stuck on stupid if you would of paid attention a little you found out that the NAACP topic of night when Rev Wright spoke was about change. It had nothing to do w/ Obama. U want to bring up the flag pin b/c when I watched that last debate I didn’t see one on Hillary. I seen her in plenty of speeches w/o one on. So by your standards she is now unamerican. There are so many unamerican peoples at baseball games, and other sporting events b/c 85% of those peoples hands are down by there sides during the national anthem. U can nit pick on this man all you want. The fact is you don’t like this man b/c he is bi-racial. 99% of everything you say Joni is stupid crap that was quoted from the news. If you would of looked things up yourself you would see pictures of Obama w/ his hand over his heart during the Pledge. Youtube is a good place to start. Maybe you need to try thinking for yourself the same way you did when Howard was going thru his issues. Don’t make it different b/c Howard was white and Obama is bi-racial. Isabel what do you think your doing? You want to put other people down for the exact same thing you are doing. As a bi racial person myself let me tell you that its society that makes you choose. Growing up when filling out forms you were either black or white. You couldn’t mark both. If you looked more black then that is what they told you to put down. Lets talk about James Hagee and Pat Robertson……….See how different it is in America when white pastors say stuff. It doesn’t get played in loops over and over again. The news don’t even touch those people. John Mccain sought out James Hagee backing. I didn’t hear him denounce the ignorance he was preaching. Pat Robertson spent sometime w/ Pres Bush in the White House. I didn’t hear Bush denounce the ignorance he was preaching. I guess by your standards Bush and Mccain believe what those pastors are saying. What do you know about Hillary’s church “the family”?
May 5th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Oh and Btw Joni since you can’t seem to do your own work this is Michelle thesis.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html
I’m sure you won’t get it anyway, but go ahead and knock yourself out.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:59 am
First, I do not like or trust Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama and I do not like McCain. In my lifetime I have NEVER seen such a poor choice that is before each of us. Mr. Obama scares the heck out of me, slightly (no, much) more than Mrs. Clinton. I continue to search for a few redeeming qualities in McCain.
Jinga…… Frankly, you sound dangerous, full of hate and blind. How much longer are white people supposed to feel guilty for the injustice done to black people? What more can the government and white people do to satisfy the black race? About Gov. Wallace you said “I CHEERED when someone put a bullet in his back” What kind of miserable person could say something like that about ANYONE??? You also say “Many Americans are too stupid and lazy to think for themselves” – well, I do agree with that because I see exactly that in my city each and every election. You said “If you heard some of the conversations on black radio and BET you would probably run for the nearest bed to hide under”. I listen to talk radio all the time and the hate directed at white people (from MOST black people) on black radio is shocking to say the least. It is enough to make one wonder if “the extermination of white people” is exactly what some members of the black race really want”.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:04 am
Sorry, I misspelled a name in my above post. Should be “jangie” instead of “Jinga”.
May 6th, 2008 at 6:38 am
It is a good thing Kerry got “torpedoed”. Who would want that torpedo face hanging in government buildings, staring at them for four years? Not only is he a bad person, his wife is just as low class as can be. She is a loud mouth, disheveled pig, much like Michelle Obama.
I would love to see other people’s reactions if they were the president right now and had to deal with what President Bush deals with. There is no school or boot camp to train presidents before they take the oath of office. The disrespect that is shown President Bush would get most people in other countries thrown in jail and worked over. That is probably where all the political egomaniacs should be sent until they learn to behave, if that should happen before their last breath at the hands of where there is no such thing as human rights.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Another thing I forgot to mention: my great grandfather fought for the North in the Civil War. I have a copy of a letter that he sent home, that’s in the National Archives, in D.C. My aunt had copied the words of the letter for us. He survived the war and the many diseases that went with it and is buried near where I live.
I wonder how those men and boys who gave up their lives to free the slaves would feel if they could hear some of you talk?
There are a couple of you that are so filled with hate and predudice, you can’t see it and erronously think the other person is the racist. Go figure. Open up your hearts and let the sunshine in and be a little thankful for what you have. And may the God of love, bless you.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Someone put words in my mouth that were not said.I never said if someone voted for Hillar Clinton they were Biased,never.nor did I say anyone was bitter..I voted for Mr Clinton for his first term and coul;d not do the same for his second term,The same goes for President Bush.All Presidents have some good and some bad during their terms in office.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Anne: I’ve come to the conclusion that people like Jangie and Chris need more help than anyone here can give them. They obviously have been fed hate all their miserable lives and are probably doing the same to their kids. And the hate goes on and on and on. They should be rejoicing the fact their ancestors were freed, but that would defeat their main purpose and that is to continue the hate. These people are posessed, they really are.
This is what the “Reverend” Wright and others like him are doing to their own people. Do you people really think they are helping you in any way by feeding you these hate sermons? Do you think they even care about you? No. They only care about keeping the hate going and they are using you to do it. They are only helping themselves. Wright has a home in a very wealthy (white) part of Chicago that cost over a million dollars. It’s a mansion. Yet he shouts about how he hates rich white folks. I heard him say that himself over and over in a video. Break away from these hate mongers.
Some of you people need to get down on your knees and thank God for all you do have. And break the hate cycle! And that goes for any white supremists too. Any supremist is despicable, it doesn’t matter what color they are. None should be tolerated. Until recently, we only heard of the white supremists and now that the black supremists are finally being exposed, all hell breaks loose. You can’t have it both ways.
These kind of people need to have someone to blame everything on. They can’t cope with life, because they are so handicapped by hate. Their minds are so sick with hate, they can’t even see straight.
The people who were brought here as slaves were so different I’m sure than these people and I’m sure they would be very ashamed of the way some of them are acting. Jangie and Chris, I am no more guilty of bring them here than you or anyone else is.
I never hear of these people being grateful for those who fought for their ancestors freedom (and the thousands who lost their lives in doing so) and to those who helped to smuggle them up North. We never hear any of that. Only about what they think they are owed. Well people, guess what? You aren’t owed anything! You’ll just have to make your way in this world the same as everyone else and get help with all of that rage and hate. Your children will thank you and everyone else around you will thank you. You will feel a whole lot better too.
And all of this, just because some people had the audacity to vote for Hillary instead of Obama. Yikes!
As I stated earlier, I am part native American (and very proud of it) and I don’t hate the decendents of the people who were running this country for what they did to my ancestors and are still doing. I also don’t hate the ones responsible for what they did to them. Hate doesn’t accomplish anything good. Please, let the hate go back to the devil and let it stay there. Learn to love instead.
Art, sorry this is so long.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
I also want to put in here a little about “Black Power and Black Theology from James Cone. This is the black theology that Wright subscribes to.
This is from the book by Cone: Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not indentified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will only accept the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the devine love as expressed in Black Power which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
May 7th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Isabel and Joni
I agree with you 100%.
I think we have a new definition for racism in America.
A racist in America is anyone who DISAGREES WITH OBAMA.
As a black woman I am really shocked to see the hate that many of my fellow black people are harboring in their hearts.
My mother taught me that I may not always be in control of what happens to me, but that I am surely in control of how I react to what happens to me.
She also taught me that you cannot change people, you can only change yourselve.
So let’s stop playing the victim and take responsibility for our lives. We are and have been bringing up a generation of VICTIMS it seems. Shame on us!
I am still in shock.
May 7th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Joni: Excellent post as always – true, fair, accepting of the good and rejecting the bad in our society. You are always FAIR with everyone and I, for one, appreciate everything you stand for. It seems that our politics are different but as I tell my very best friend (who is totally opposite of my poitical beliefs) “I love you anyway” and we remain the best of friends. The James Cone info is downright scary and impossible to believe that anyone could accept this way of thinking.
May 8th, 2008 at 1:49 am
Joni:
That sounds a lot like what the terrorists spew.
I once overheard a co-worker mention that she made sure she read at least one book a month authored by an African American. I did not understand what difference one’s color made when writing books. I have learned a lot since Obama sprang up but I wish I had not because it is ugly. The real honest question is not whether the country is ready, but when will African Americans be ready to play fair? Obviously that time has not arrived.
The next one who runs for the presidency will unfortunately pay for the ugly tarnish left by Obama and his despicable wife.
May 8th, 2008 at 2:03 am
I will clarify it. I did not mean to lump everyone in the same category. I do have friends who would obviously not have become friends if they believed the ugliness from that trashy Cone book. That book should be wrapped in a paper bag and taken to the dump.
May 8th, 2008 at 11:02 am
JOY, you had a very wise mother and you learned very well from her. It’s too bad more people can’t be like you. You have been the voice of reason here and I appreciate it very much.
I always think if you try hard enough, you can finally get through to people, and be able to reason with them, but I no longer think that. (EJ, I was naive in thinking that.) There are some people (far too many) that cannot be reasoned with, nor do they want to be reasoned with. They don’t want to see the truth in any matter, because that would defeat whatever purpose they have in mind. As crazy as some people may think this sounds, I truly do believe the devil is working through these kinds of people. That is how the devil works, through people. Too many people think the devil is only one being with horns and a tail, but he takes many forms (through people) on earth and this is what we all have to fight.
I also need to add that any church of our Lord, is a church of love for all mankind. They DO NOT single out ANY race to put above another. They teach love of all colors.
I always think I have to give it a try though, but maybe I should just save myself alot of aggrievation and not bother, because in the end, I have not accomplished anything but getting a headache from it all, at the very least. But then I think, that wouldn’t be right either. That would be like condoning the wrong.
Joy, maybe we should all write in your name for president. We need someone like you who can do good for all the people.
You are right about people thinking that anyone who is against Obama is a racist. I do understand their thinking in that they have black man finally running for president, but it is alarming seeing how they just want him in because he is the first black running. They are totally refusing to see what all is behind this man for all his life. If they would do some research, they would see the same things we’ve seen, but I get the distinct impression, they would still not actually see them. They have one track minds and that is to vote for the first black man, no matter what this man really represents and that is totally stupid. It’s downright scary. People who think we are racists, because we are against Obama, have VERY small minds indeed!
I have never seen so many excuses made for so many serious breaches of humanity in my life. As long as these hate sermons go on and hate radio talk shows are on the air, the races will never be able to come together. I never knew there even were hate radio talk shows.
This is where I think the line should be drawn in freedom of speech. I certainly don’t want it taken away, but at the same time hate, over the airwaves, should never be tolerated. I think education (against hate) at a very early age needs to be in place, before the hate can take root. Parents are passing their hate on to their children and it will continue. It’s too bad Joy, that everyone, black or white, didn’t have a mother like you. Just think how wonderful that would be for everyone. You can always tell the people who were brought up right and learned well. That is how we all came to admire and support Howard.
May 8th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
ANNE, thank you. I always try to be fair in everything in my life. I don’t know if I always succeed or not though, but I do try and I also expect fairness in return, or at least hope for it, lol. I don’t always get it. You and Joy are voices of reason and I thank you both for your input.
I have friends who are on the opposite side in politics, lol, and we never let it get between us. I even voted for them in local elections. I know I’m about the only one here that thinks Hillary has the most experience to do the job and it doesn’t bother me that others don’t think that way. What I resent are the people that think because we aren’t for Obama, then we just have to be racists. How utterly stupid for anyone to think that way, lol. People continue to amaze me. And these are the kinds of minds who will be helping to elect our next president. Yikes!
I want to put a few things in here that Louis Farrakhan has said. Judaism is a “gutter religion”. “Hitler was a very great man”. “White people are potential humans, they haven’t evolved yet”. This is the man Obama’s church gave a lifetime achievement award to. This is the man Wright went to Syria and Libya with to talk to Gaddafi. I say again, Obama’s church isn’t about Jesus Christ. It is mostly about them and their evil ways and the evil people they associate themselves with. No true church of Christ would have a minister saying the things Wright says. Never! No true churh of Christ would have a theology that promotes one race only. Never! If my minister would ever say anything like that, he would be replaced in a heartbeat.
Obama belonged to this church for 20 years and still does, as far as I know. If he didn’t agree with what Wright has been “preaching” about, he would have left it, pronto. He would not be denouncing Wright, right now, if it hadn’t brought to light. I feel that he has only severed ties with him publicly, not privately. That’s my feeling. I honestly think he and his church has an agenda (if he becomes president) that we don’t know about. It’s just a gut feeling I have.
Ok, now I’ll step down from my pulpit, lol. Sorry Art for these long posts. I really wasn’t going to say anymore on the subject, because I’m so sick of this whole thing, but once I get started, then I don’t know when to quit, lol. Maybe I missed my calling, lol.
May 8th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
ISABEL, sorry, I didn’t mean to let you out. You have been right about Obama from the beginning. I’m just amazed how many people are so accepting of him without finding out all about him, since he is a newcomer to most of us. Even the ones who have found out things, are letting them slide by and make excuses for him.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Joy, sounds like you had wonderful parents who taught you to love yourself, depend on and respect who you are. I can imagine they also expected you to show respect to all races of people, your elders, your teachers, etc. I had parents like that too and learned (especially from my mother) that jealousy and hate was a wasted emotion that hurt only me. The quality of adult we become depends so much on the people who raised us. I always tell my parents “if I could give the world a gift, I would give everyone parents just like mine”. I was a little girl back in the 60’s and the idea of hating or showing disreapect to another race (or anyone) was something my parents would not tolerate so I grew up liking and accepting anyone until that person (NOT PEOPLE) demonstrated that I could not associate or welcome them in my life. It’s really about the person and not a race of people, isn’t it? I never understood the problem and still don’t know why we are not allowed to accept each other one on one – seems to me that would solve a lot of problems in our society. I don’t like a lot of black leaders today – don’t like a lot of white leaders either. I own a busness. My bookkeeper of over 20 YEARS is a black man but a better way to describe him is by saying that he is a good person – honest and one of the smartest people I have ever known. I have no idea what I would do without him. It’s just a little bit hard for me to understand why there has to be a problem. I think if society in general would be allowed to accept each other on “content of character” (black or white) there would be far less problems. JMOIMO.
May 9th, 2008 at 4:41 am
I would like to see the Rev on SNL, maybe with Al Sharpton.
May 9th, 2008 at 4:44 am
…and Bill O’Reilly, LOL.
Hope I spelled his name ‘Wright.’
May 9th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
I would like to wish all mothers a happy mother’s day on Sunday. Enjoy your day!
May 10th, 2008 at 2:01 am
Joni,you have got to be one of the biggest fools out there and NOT BECAUSE YOU DON’T LIKE OBAMA. Anyone who points out American history to people like you are accused of being full of hate! You should REALLY pick up a history book, and READ IT! Slavery isn’t the issue for me. I didn’t experience it. I DID, however experience some of the next 100 years of Jim Crow. I had an uncle, his name was Paul, and he was lynched in 1962 and I’m just supposed to forget it! To this day, the entire town knows who did it, but no one wants to tell on his or her own family, or their long time friend, so his murderers haven’t been brought to justice TO THIS DAY! I have WORKED with people who looked me right in my green eyes and said I shouldn’t EXSIST because interracial marriage is an abomination! And this wasn’t fifty years ago! It was in 2006!
You also insult every Black person IN America when you insinuate that they BLINDLY swallow everything that people like Rev Wright says.
You show your racism and bigotry when you make comments about people not wanting to work and only wanting a hand out. HOW DARE YOU! The average African American is either middle or working class! Goes to work every day! Yes, there is an underclass that gets massive media attention, but they’re no different than the White Trash I see; women having baby after baby out of wedlock, collecting welfare, WHITE men who wouldn’t take a job tasting pies even if they didn’t have to wash the pan, yet let there be an article about poverty and a Black face will be on the cover!
To say that Blacks should just forget and forgive is also an insult! It would never, EVER, occur to ANYONE to say something so asinine to a Jew, (oh, Auschwitz was SOOOOOO long ago! Forget it! Be happy the Nazis lost!) Sounds stupid doesn’t it! As a matter of fact IT’S A CRIME in Germany to deny the holocaust. This country should take a lesson from the Germans. Just because a period of history is ugly doesn’t mean you deny it, and because of people like you, who INSIST on denying and trying to rationalize the ugliness, this country will NEVER heal, and we’ll be talking about this forty years from now, and EIGHTY years after Dr King.
Joy, you are either EXTREMELY naive, or not what you say you are! If you’re guilty only of being naive, I ask you to please think for yourself and NOT take the word of bigots like Joni and her ilk! Racism has NOTHING to do with Obama! If a person disagrees with his policies, don’t vote for him, I don’t have a problem with that. But when people say they won’t vote for him because of the color of his skin, I have a problem with that. When they say they can’t vote for him because he’s a Muslim,(he’s not) or because of Rev Wright, though he has said a thousand times he disagrees with him, what they’re saying is they won’t vote for the guy because he’s Black, and they would allow their bigotry to deny this country a capable leader because of skin color! Why aren’t they jumping all over McCain for accepting the endorsement of people like Hagee and Parsley. The only people who heard Rev Wrights statements are those few hundred who were sitting in the pews that particular Sunday. Hagee and Parsley have shows on TV that reach MILLIONS so tell me who’s more dangerous! Parsley wants this government to attack Iran and start the countdown to the Apocolypse. Hagee has repeated a thousand times that God sent Katrina because New Orleans tolerated Gays! Why the double standard?
May 10th, 2008 at 2:26 am
YES YES YES! I cheered when someone put a bullett in George Wallaces back and I’m not ashamed, and anyone who says it’s hateful obvoiusly doesn’t know a damned thing about RESENT history! Here was a man running for POTUS who was still preaching segregation as late as 1972! A man who would have denied my black behind my basic human rights simply because of the color of my skin! Someone, a white guy stopped him, and to him I am eternally grateful!
My uncle who was lynched? His crime was wanting a piece of land that a local white man wanted. Uncle Paul had the money, the white guy did not. Uncle Paul was beaten to a pulp and hanged from a live oak tree. WALMART eventualy bought that property from the same piece of crap that murdered my uncle. Try telling my cousins and Aunt Effie they weren’t cheated, and they’re not owed BIG TIME!
May 11th, 2008 at 1:00 am
You know ‘some’ just never get the ‘credit’ for what ‘they’ deserve…really it’s true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3bp4ohqugI&NR=1
How strong is your pinky finger?
May 13th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Joy, I had a post for you, but it’s still in moderation.
Anne, great post as usual.
Isabel, I didn’t read that book from Cone. I got that exerpt off the internet. I would never read such trash.
I hope everyone had a nice Mother’s Day.
May 13th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Jangie
If you only knew my story. We would have to call a national week of mourning for all the hardtimes we have suffered and are still suffering. Michelle can be the chairperson of the mourning committee.
But you know what, I am not in the habbit of repeating the events of the hurtful past, when I do, I am sure I will receive a lot of symphathy and attention.
If you know where I have been and who I have been. It was a choice I had to make because the hate was hurting ME more than it hurt those who harmed me and my people.
I know it is hard for some of my people (fortunately not all of them) to believe that I can hold the views I hold. I used to be their hero, now they call me a puppet of the Imperialists and a traitor and whatever. I will not even tell you what my father used to call me because in the current situation in America that word should not even be mentioned.
I know racism is very real in America. I live in a 98% white state, and if it was not that I had the change of heart years ago, I tell you I would have been miserable and I would have been such a victim and very vulnerable to people like Wright, politicians who wants to keep us down, so our unhappiness can keep them in positions of power, because us being unhappy means we will need “leaders” like them to fight for us.
Change can only start in ourselves, and then it can flow out to the rest of the world. If we have the mindset that it is someone elses responsibility to make us happy, we will be miserable for ever, because no government or any other human being can make you happy.
Racism in America can ONLY be dealt with effectively if ALL of us accept RESPONSIBILITY for our part in it.
That is my problem with Obama’s speech on racism. He excused the behaviour of the older generation, and made sure we know who is to blame (whites) and who is the victims (blacks and immigrants).
(I am sure he could have come up with an example of a black person he knows who made racial remarks about whites, the same way he came up with the remark about his white grandma.)
I am black and I am an immigrant and I say that is nonsense and just because I am black does not mean I cannot see when my people and leaders are WRONG. I will agree with them when they are right and DISAGREE with them when they are wrong.
I know it is COOL to support Obama, but the issues America are dealing with needs more than for us to be cool and politically correct.
PS: Jangie, I know a black pastor who are married to a white woman, they have four wonderful “colored” children. He used to tell us of all the mysery he and his wife went through and all the racist remarks towards them to this day and especially to his children who are neither white nor black.
But he and his family always talks about the “injustices” toward them with such humor, I am always in tears when I spent time with them, tears of laughter and not sadness. You see the difference their attitude makes? They have friends from all races.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Louis Farrakhan is the man that Pa’s Governor Rendell praised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA
May 13th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Jangi
I agree that people who say they will not vote for Obama because of race is racist. But I have not seen any on here saying that. But we should also acknowledge that blacks who vote for Obama solely because he is black, that is also racist.
Joni is very outspoken about issues, I have seen her on the Virgie/Howard issue. It is clear to me from her posts that she has issues with the fact that Obama remained in the church and his associations. Which I think are real issues to be concerned about.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
When I came to America I thought, wow, I have finally made it to the most enlightened country in the world.
Was I shocked to find attitudes here that are so outlandish, I soon realised that in parts of Africa we are way ahead of America in various regards.
But what is most shocking to me, is that we are expected to blindly follow our leaders, just because they are black! Like we have to swear loyalty to the black community and its leaders to be accepted.
That is why Obama had to sit in that church for 20 years. He had to proof that he is a bona-fide African American. Without that, he would never have a chance to become president of USA. Many of African American’s would not have trusted him. Like L Sharpton said, “He is not one of us”.
BTW, all those who cry racism now, did they also complained about that racist remark of L Sharpton towards Obama.
Obama had to win the trust of “leaders” like Sharpton and Jackson, wonder what he had to promise them.
The reason why most of Africa is in such a mess, is because of this blind loyalty to leaders syndrome, and guess what – because of RACISM BETWEEN BLACKS – ONE TRIBE TO THE OTHER!
Many governments in Africa also very efficiently pull out the race cards agains their opponents in elections. The opposition is almost always accused of working for the imperialists. That is usually a winner. Seems to me like the same thing is happening to blacks in the US who happen to not agree with Obama.
IMO Obama is a good guy, who got corrupted because he kept evil company. I can never vote for him, because of issues such as abortion, etc.
But I would feel comfortable having him as a president if he takes another 4 or 8 years to gain more experience and to really reconcider his associations.
He needs a more objective view on America and its problems, which he could not get because he was so surrounded with people with radical views, that he lost his objectivity.
OK, time to move on to Hillary, what can she be up to? And who in his/her right mind would vote for McCain?
May 13th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Joni:
I appreciate not being left out. The only way people will wake up is when (God forbid) he becomes president and “CHANGES” start taking place. Before anyone knows it, the country will be overrun by Iran’s top dog (Amadinag… whatever) Gaddafi and others. The caterer’s who want to contribute to the festivities, should set up a barbeque with all the trimmings, the main course, of course, would be pork.
A few years ago I dated a guy who, even though he liked my children, he would not marry me because his religion would not allow it. The best day of my life was when I invited him to dinner and served spaghetti with meat sauce. Oh, yes, I mixed in some pork with the beef. What a great feeling!
May 13th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Joni:
You are not a fool. You are great.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Jangie, That is horrible what happened to your uncle, but you aren’t helping yourself or anyone else with your rage. No one ever said to forget, but you do have to let go with that rage before you destroy yourself or someone around you. Carrying all that rage around isn’t good for your health.
As I said before and you chose to forget it, I detested Wallace as much as you, but at the same time, I would never cheer for anyone to take a bullet, no matter how much I despised that person. Also, John Hagee is no better in alot of ways than Wright. This guy is so pompous and arrogant. I heard him one time denouncing women that work outside the house. He thinks our place is in the home. I don’t watch these TV “preachers”, but occasionally stop and listen a few minutes while changing channels.
I think most of these so called preachers on TV are nothing but charletons. I’m sure there are a few that are ok, but I think most are in it for the money. They are living like kings. They are all selling something and raking in millions. I think that is their ultimate goal.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Jangie:
Sometimes I am as full of hatred as you are. I know you would rather not hear from me, but I really don't care.
For instance, since my husband's children are to blame for destroying our marriage, it would thrill me if one of his worthless bums comes back from Iraq in a shoebox. Yes, indeed. It could not happen to a nicer person. When I married my husband I thought I was his second wife, turned out he was still legally married, so there was an annulment and we remarried. Turns out I am his fifth wife. The third wife suffered the same fate at the hands of his worthless, bratty children.
My son, who sufferes from mental illness and who used to insist on walking alone on the streets, has gotten (1) stabbed in the abdomen and he barely made it alive; (2) beaten and knocked unconscious by a group of thugs; (3) during his bad episodes he has been hospitalized over fifty times in the course of eighteen years; (4) on numerous occasions while hospitalized, he has been assaulted and hurt. Guess what color of the rainbow all those people who have hurt him are? Each and every time! I, however, do not harbor hatred toward blacks. I harbor hatred toward those I made the stupid mistake of marrying.
Lucky are those already dead, including your uncle. You may not think so but that is your prerogative.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Joy, great posts! You have a way with words. So many times mine don’t come out right and when I read them after I’ve submitted them, I think, yikes! I do go over them before I submit them, but I somehow miss things. Again, I say, you are a very fair minded lady and more people should be like you. You are an asset to society.
Also, thanks for sticking up for me and the real issues I do have about Obama. They are very disturbing and should concern everyone.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Isabel, thank you also, but I am not great. I am nothing, really, but I do have certain standards I live by and will not change them for anyone. I’ve had them all my life and they have seen me through. It’s so upsetting to see the way people are nowadays. So many people now don’t seem to have any morals or standards at all. It’s apalling.
I told my one son the other day about some of you saying that you like the way I don’t let anyone sway me and he started nodding his head in agreement. He knew right away what I was talking about, lol. My kids know how I won’t give in to anyone or anything that I don’t believe in or think is right.
And Joy, you are right, I am outspoken, lol. Maybe too outspoken, but you know, when I see something or someone I don’t think is right, I just can’t stand idly by and not at least speak about it.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Jangie, last but not least, I truly am concerned about you. I know you didn’t ask for any advice, but please, try to let the past go and let the anger and rage go. It will do nothing but harm. It will harm you or maybe someone else someday. Is that what you really want?
You said some very vile things to me, but you know something? It doesn’t bother me at all. I can see that you have so much anger in you, that you just can’t help but say things like that. It doesn’t make me hate you or even feel angry at you. It makes me very concerned about you.
With all the energy you are putting into hate and rage, you could be doing something really wonderful for someone else or even yourself. Put your energy into doing good. You will be pleasantly surprised how good it will make you feel also. Please try it. Your hate and anger are not helping you or anything else.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Isabel #56……. I agree with you – Joni is great. Thank God for people like Joni, Joy and a few others on this site who help to keep balance, fairness, etc. and reminds us of the basic goodness of the human race.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
I think that the reason the majority of incarcerated people are African American is that their “leader(s)” get them pumped up with hatred. Once they step outside, they are so rilled up, they go after their prey, as they are taught to think of them, and proceed with misbehaviors of every kind.
The culprits are, after all, those angry, uncontrollable clowns who put on their exhibition for their own sadistic self-satisfaction.
May 16th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I would like to say one more thing on this thread. First of all, I wasn’t even going to comment on it, then on the very second post I saw where EJ had come out swinging both fists with a race card in each one. No one had even said anything about anyone not voting for Obama because he was black. No one even had a chance to say anything yet. Frankly, I was shocked to hear EJ say that and the other things she said. I couldn’t let that go without challenging it and then I and a couple of others were called racist. She chose to overlook the issues we had with Obama. It was unfair to say the least. I’m sure some people won’t vote for him because of his skin color and I’m also sure some people will vote for him because of it.
Secondly, I want to apologize for anything I said that may have sounded condensending. I had my heart in the right place, but can’t always get the words out right. But I believe it is still better talking something out and possibly not saying it right, than letting it go unsaid and letting people think the wrong thing.
All my life, since I was a little girl I’ve always sided with what I’ll call the underdog here, and I don’t mean that unkindly. It’s deplorable that any race, or people from one area or another should feel the way they do, because of their differences, in whatever those differences may be.
Someone said about some of the people in the South with their confederate flags and all. Recently, some people moved into my area and the first thing they did was spread a huge confederate flag across their front porch. Well, that flag lasted about 3 or 4 days, lol. I don’t know if someone kindly told them that we are under one flag now and have been for sometime, or if the flag was removed for them, lol. It’s never been put back up whatever the reason. Actually I had a big laugh out of it. Here today and gone tomorrow, lol.
We go down to the Smokey Mountains for vacation and some people ask where we are from and when we tell them, they repeat Pennsylvanina! and look at us like we’ve just sprouted horns. Then recently we were in Savannah and the people there were the friendliest people I’ve seen anywhere.
Hatred is being handed down from generation to the next and I don’t see that abating anytime soon and it’s a shame. Parents need to teach their children differently. I am proud to say I raised my kids right in that respect and they could all tell you that. That was why I was so shocked to have EJ call me and others racists.
May 17th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Ooops, I put in an extra “n” in Pennsylvania, in my previous post, lol.
Anne, Joy and Isabel: Thank you all for your support. I appreciate it very much. I’m thankful you all can see things as they really are and don’t jump to all the wrong conclusions.
May 17th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Ooops, it was on the second post of another thread here about Obama where EJ said those things.
May 17th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Joni
Your words came out right, there was never any confusion about what you were saying.
Those, and I am not talking about EJ, she did not contribute to the rest of the discussion, but those who accused you of racism will accuse anyone who disagrees with Obama of racism. It is sadly just the way it is. And with saying that I am not trying to judge anyone, it is just my observation.
This time next year we will have a new president and the duty to unite and pray for him/her.
May 22nd, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Joy, yes, that was on the other thread about Obama that she had posted on. I was thinking it was this one, but it was still about him.
Thank you for understanding. I don’t always say some things the way they should be said and when I looked back over some things on this thread, a couple of things sounded sort of condescending and I certainly didn’t mean for them to be.
There are so many things about Obama that the media has not even touched on and I don’t understand why they haven’t. People really should check him out more thoroughly, but even the Wright thing and his church, should be enough to make people think twice. I still do not believe that Wright only said those things a couple of times and that Obama just happened to be absent those times.
I saw the 10 points of black theology in their website where they were saying about things that should be done for the benefit of the black people. They have since taken the word black out. He sat in that church for 20 years and never saw the need to set Wright straight or to find another church. He has changed things he’s said in the past to the complete opposite now, because of the outcry, but I don’t trust anyone who says and believes one thing, then later changes it completely, because he is running for president. I also don’t know why they are so willing to vote for someone who hasn’t accomplished anything in his whole life since he’s been out of college. This guy doesn’t know anything about running a country. Not even a small one. It scares me to think he could be dumbing his way through running this country and the world when he is still very wet behind the ears. He needs so much more experience to even think about running for president. He’s young and has alot more time to gain experience first. What is his rush.
I also happened upon a South African blog and the people on that were saying how much good he will do for the people down there if he becomes president. I know the Iranians are also pulling for him to become president. Now that’s scary! They also think he will do them good if he’s elected.
I’m also concerned about his ties with Raila Odinga in Kenya. Odinga is supposed to be a cousin of Obama’s father and Obama had gone down there to see Dinga. Dinga lost the election down there and horrible fighting took place because he lost. About 1200 people were murdered, some with machetes and there were 50 people hiding in a church and they were all killed. Thousands were injured. This Odinga wants to turn Kenya into an Islamic state if he can get elected.
Also there’s this friend of Tony Rezko that is a billionaire from, I think, Iran and who had supposedly given Rezko alot of money and Rezko had helped Obama buy that 1.65 million dollar home. This man’s name from Iran is Nadhmi Auchi. Rezko is now standing trial for something, I’m not sure what all. I saw a document where Obama had to make a statement about Rezko. I did alot of reading in the Chicago Sun Times and found out all of this.
Art, maybe you could check out this stuff, although it’s probably too late anyway. McBush is starting to look better each day. I can’t believe I just said that, lol.
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 pm
A family member was murdered! Everyone in that town knows who did it, but because the whites who knew refused to speak in order to protect their own, a murderer has roamed free for decades. Whenever the family tried to push the issue, we were told to “forgive and forget. It was so long ago” Does Pauls family not deserve justice? We have been lobbying for YEARS to get the feds involved as a civil rights issue and it looks like FINALLY we might be making some headway! It’s a damned shame that this kind of nonsense goes on in a country that brags about being the land of the free, where all men are created equal.
As far as Obama is concerned, if a person disagrees with his plans for this country or his policies and says they won’t vote for him, that’s fine. Nothing racial about it; but judge the man for HIMSELF and NOT because of something someone like Rev Wright says after Obama has repudiated what the man has said six ways till Sunday! If you people want to hear an earfull, check out what Hagee and Parsley, whose endorsements McCain SOUGHT, have to say about Hitler and the Jews. No, McCain didn’t go to their church, but these guys are on TV spreading their poison to millions. The only way Wright would be on TV is if he sat on the box!
And speaking of the Jews, I’m still waiting for someone to suggest they “forget and forgive” the holocaust, which is the reason the state of Israel was established, and the root of the problems in the middle east today.
May 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 pm
How about sending those who are pissed off at the US on a vacation to Myamar? Let those shaking in their booties and spewing/spitting hatred go where the government can and does deliberately, very deliberately condemn its population to death by withholding help of every kind being offered by this big, bad US of A?
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Joni:
Although you were not addressing me, I keep reading your apologies to whomever may have felt you were condescending and I just have to throw in my two cents.
Everyone needs to be reminded every once in a while that being tough is not always appropriate. Those who are defensive and quick to show their toughness need to be reminded that other people have feelings, too. Being “assertive” sometimes can crush the recipient and the tough or “assertive” will go on their merry way without giving it a second thought, believing they are superior. I do not have anyone in particular in mind (other than freaky Wright) but whoever thinks the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it.
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Joni:
I better make it clearer. You do not owe apologies to anyone.
May 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
#63 read your own words, and reflect.
May 24th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
I think I’d like to blind, and stupid, well of course the later is nice, don’t you think.
Doesn’t matter what color skin you’re in, how much do you care?
How big is your heart? How red is your heart?
This is crazy…Obama’s not even black.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:20 am
Freida:
Of course you are right. Obama is not even black. He is half and half but he prefers to believe he is black because he detests his mother. I hope she is rolling in her grave, waiting for the right moment to make him pay for biting the hands that fed him. Maybe she did not feed him. That could be the reason he is so skinny.
May 27th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Isabel and Joy, you are right, lol. It’s just impossible to get through to some people.
June 4th, 2008 at 1:49 am
I just noticed the message to me regarding #63, that I should read my own words and reflect. I don’t really get it. My venom has been spewed in two well-deserved directions — Osama and Virgie.
June 8th, 2008 at 2:57 am
Isn’t it shocking that the reverend is back in his old stomping grounds because he can’t keep himself away from that church? I can imagine how some unsuspecting children would be scared enough to run for their life when that thunder breaks out and people start yelling. It sounds to me more like a tsunami than a respectable place of worship. “War” ship is more like it. The main clown will pray in the basement with Osama while the other clown distracts the screaming, clapping MENSA group with his rain dance.
In my “previous” life I was a practicing catholic. The church was a place of worship where one did not speak out of respect. The prist spoke Latin, yet everyone always knew when to kneel, sit, stand, kneel, sit, stand. I still have those funny things that females slapped on their head with a pin. The common knowledge was that we must always be perfect because “HE” was everywhere and watching. If I so much as sneezed, I was afraid I had committed a sin and had to go to confession. Come to think of it, it is cruel to subject people to all that senseless, idiotic crap.
If anyone thinks I should not be speaking this way, don’t worry. I already purchased a one-way ticket to that place where the fire crackels nonstop.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Isabel
You will not go to any such place!! LOL
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:55 am
Last night I heard a funny thing uttered by one of the “Beltway Boys.” Apparently, Michelle does not wear pantyhose because she is “too tall” and therefore, they do not look right.
Either Michelle was joking or she was fishing for donations, eagerly waiting for samples to arrive at her doorstep, courtesy of pantyhose makers. What 40-year-old woman does not understand that a hose is a must when playing dress-up? Another jaw-dropper is the snippets they showed of the Obama family in some restaurant. Obama was sitting down while Michele was standing up tending to her brood. She freely passed her hands over Obama and he continued as if it were commonplace. Doesn’t she know that if one must retrieve something, one should either go around so as not to disturb a person or at least say “Excuse me”? white a stick one does not
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:03 am
My just released comment should have ended with “Excuse me”. The extra junk should have been delted.
I am sorry. I did not promise you (bloggers) a rose garden.
June 28th, 2008 at 3:13 am
If anyone was puzzled by my “rose garden” reference above, I said it because it is the type of music Sarafina might remember. Somewhere in my deep, dark, scary, skeleton-strewn closed are LPs with that song, sang either by Lynn Anderson or Connie Smith.