Casey Anthony Juror #2: Killer “Evidence Not There!”
Juror #2 tells newspaper “the evidence wasn’t there” to convict for murder.
By Art Harris, The Bald Truth, (c) www.artharris.com, all rights reserved
Juror Number 2 in the Casey Anthony murder case says “the evidence wasn’t there” to find her guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt.
Without revealing his name, he tells The St. Petersburg Times jurors believed Anthony killed her two year old daughter, Caylee, but prosecutors failed to make a case with enough concrete evidence to persuade them beyond a reasonable doubt.
Meanwhile, Judge Belvin Perry sent Casey Anthony back to jail–until next Wednesday, when she will be released despite his four year sentence for lying to police since she’s amassed enough jail time to receive credit for time served. She also faces possible fines.
The judge is also considering releasing names of jurors, but told media lawyers arguing for the material that he’s weighing their right to privacy versus the public’s right to know. Their personal safety and the cost of protecting them is a big concern, he says, and will at least enforce a cooling off period before the names go out.
OJ prosecutor Marcia Clark said she’s outraged that jurors can be paid for stories in a verdict and could be moved to alter a verdict based on how much such they figure verdict would be worth in terms of media interviews. Look for possible legislation beefing up “son of sam” laws barring those convicted of violent crimes from profiting from them to include jurors serving on big criminal cases.
Flabergasted by the not guilty verdict, Nancy Grace asked a favorite legal expert about an alternate juror speaking out and expressing a view that she said sounded like he was in a “completely different courtroom.”
Atlanta criminal lawyer Ray Giudice takes issue. “I thought if any mistakes were made, prosecutors got unfocused on major evidence and spent (too much) time running down rabbit holes” dug by the defense.
A veteran criminal lawyer, Giudice said trying to debunk wild theories Jose Baez was using to blast reasonable doubt, prosecutors may have unwittingly given defense red herrings credibility by trying to fight them.
But he drew the line in attacking jurors.
“I won’t insult those jurors who were in that courtroom for 30 days (who) heard what was missing, like hard linkages between this young lady and that child’s death. I’m not going to sit here, insult and second guess them.”
Another legal expert said prosecutors didn’t investigate enough to be able to deflate Baez theories in opening statements, like the unproven allegatiions of sexual abuse Casey leveled at her father, George.
“They should have sent their own investigators to interview neighbors, friends, school officials and others to see if anything like that was ever noted at the time,” he said. “Then he could have been called as a witness to testify he investigated but found no evidence of this wild claim.”
In fact, the prosecution never used a so called jailhouse letter to impeach the claims that Casey reportedly wrote from jail suggesting her brother fondled her growing up and that her father “may have,” but never went into the kind of conclusive abuse Baez claimed happened.
One problem might have been that the letter was written to a convicted felon whose credibility could have been questioned in cross examination, but it might have given prosecutors enough to wake up jurors that they were hearing a convenient fantasy spun into a fairytale that may have gotten Casey off.
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July 7th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Why not just let the Jurors who want to talk, talk…Seems simple enough to me..I am not impressed with what they have to say…I thought it was a "shabby" jury….Shabby taken from the mouth of the 83 year old expert. It is beginning to sound like the Jurors are having second thoughts…Too little, too late..I honestly think if they had taken this case more seriously they would have arrived at a different verdict; however, I shouldn't fault them. They were given confusing babble, and bickering..I agree with Marcia Clark.. The "Son of Sam law" should be enforced…No one should be allowed to profit from the death of a precious, innocent child..Media has changed, and people, including key players in this trail, want fame and fortune… IMO
July 7th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
You want me to believe their are 12…………not one or two, but 12 jurers, that were all wrong? Sorry, but I dont buy that. I didnt see the evidence either and had stated that to Art a couple of days ago. It wasnt there.
July 9th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
I agree Gayle the evidence just was not there. I honestly think the prosecution wanted to punish her for lying but went too far with the death penalty for a crime they simply could not prove.
July 7th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
I disagree 100%. The evidence was there. As much as could be after the baby was thrown in a swamp for 6 months. Like George said, 1+1=2. I guess there is no hope to convict Haliegh's murderer since she is likely in the same condition. Won't care one bit if anyone takes their anger out on Casey, down there in FL. Lots of sick people down there, Casey and Misty especially.
July 18th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Of course George said that. His life was on the line for rape
July 8th, 2011 at 10:07 am
What DO YOU THINK? Why are they REALLY HOLDING CASEY?? Is it possible that after the jurors SPOKE PUBLICLY the State is going to APPEAL based on JURY MISCONDUCT??? And yes I do realize that once a person is aquitted they cannot be tried again, But is this a case that can be overturned????
Just curious Jeff Ashton made the comment that “THE JURY DID NOT FOLLOW THE LAW”.
Ashton said the jury was instructed that sentencing was not part of what they should consider.
"If they did it based on the penalty then they didn't follow the law," he said.
July 8th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Speaking to CNN, Ashton said the jury "shouldn't have been even considering punishment during the guilt phase."
Post-Verdict Interviews of Jurors: This final subdivision of the rule provides the procedure for challenging a jury’s verdict and interviewing jurors based on juror concealment or misconduct. This subdivision deals with post-verdict challenges to jurors. Florida case law indicates that if the court becomes aware of juror misconduct or concealment during a trial, the proper procedure is to replace the juror with an alternate juror, or alternatively declare a mistrial if no alternate juror is available. Wilson v. State, 608 So. 2d 842
July 8th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Art – I really think it is time to make the position of Juror a profession. Cases have become too complex for the average person off the street to handle. It sounds like they not only overwhelmed but they were also inexperienced. It was just too much.
Is there any kind of movement within the Judicial community toward making the job of Juror a profession requiring an education in law and a License to have to maintain, thereby being held to certain standards and expectations? People are shocked when I say that, but I got the idea from one of the CNN 'shows. People think it could be 'corrupted' if it goes professional. anyone can be corrupted. But the truth is, I think the Jury System is screaming for improvement. We have had way too many whacky verdicts in the last decade.
what are your thoughts?
July 8th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
What was learned from this? If you come from a dysfunctional family ( millions of those in the world), learn to lie very well, commit a crime with no video or witnesses, hide the body right around the corner in dense swampy woods you CAN get away with murder. Juror # 2 said they never forgot the story Baez told about sex abuse from George in opening statements even though they were instructed to disregard it. He said " you just don't forget something like that". No proof whatsoever there was an accident, and even though Caylee's remains were too decomposed to find the cause of death, based on how she was "dumped" it leans much more to a homicide than an accident. Casey was found not guilty by the jurors but it doesn't make her innocent. THAT is what people are having a problem with. They know it wasn't George or Cindy that did this to Caylee. JMO
July 11th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
I think Casey is getting out Wednesday, and not Sunday..I think the extended date was released to the public to assure her safety, eventho' it was said her release date was miscalculated.. The guards don't want blood on their hands if something happens to her in jail..They want her out of there asap..IMO The only place Casey may be allowed to go unnoticed is Europe.. She doesn't have money YET, so it's going to cost her attny's to shelter her..Mason has said she can live with he and his family for awhile..Baez stated she is not going back to the Anthony's..I don't wish danger on Casey, but I do hope, at some time, she will confess to what really happened to Caylee.. She will never be free until she comes clean, and repents…If she doesn't then she deserves a lifetime of hell, and undoubtedly it will be bestowed upon her….."Confess, and the truth shall set you free"…
July 11th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
She can always do it in a book that will sell…hopefully not like OJ, IF I DID IT…OJ was later proved guilty in a civil trial, but who can sue Casey for a death, even if it’s preponderance of evidence, lesser standard, would be a tough one…
July 12th, 2011 at 2:49 am
Juror No. 1
White female/60's/retired
LAZY
Juror No. 2
Black male/30's/two children
GUTLESS
Juror No. 3
White female/32/ Nursing Student
FAME SEEKER
Juror No. 4
Black female /40's /Does not like to judge people
LOST
Juror No. 5
White female /50's/does not own a computer
IGNORANT
Juror No. 6
White Male/33/worked as a chef and now sells restaurant equipment
GREEDY
July 12th, 2011 at 2:50 am
Juror No. 7
White Female /41/deals with child welfare issues
SICK EXUSE FOR A HUMAN
Juror No. 8
White Female /50'S/service representative for Verizon/Her father worked in law enforcement.
FAILURE
Juror No. 9
White Male/53-year-old male/Does odd jobs
NO BRAINS
Juror No. 10
White Male/57/never been married and has no children/billing representative for Verizon.
MORALLY BANKRUPT
Juror No. 11
white male/30's/ He has an uncle who worked for the FBI.
LIAR!
Juror No. 12
White Female/50’S/works as a cook at Publix supermarket/She does not own a computer.
RUN BITCH RUN
July 12th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Hey Art!_I also disagree 100%. The evidence was there. I feel that Baez just threw everything he could, to see what stuck. His opening statement was appalling. He said terrible thingds and proved nothing.I also think that the jury was already talking amongst themselves, when they weren't supposed to. I believe that the jury should be charged with misconduct. Seems very likely to me._They had too many papers to go through, when first sent for deliberations. Very few notes were taken in this difficult case. They never asked to see any of the evidence, nor have ??? for the judge. Something is very much amiss, and I hope that they will be looked at._Also am outraged to hear that jurors can sell their stories. That doesn't happen in Canada IMO the prosecution did an excellent job, esp. with all of Baezs' slimmyness/_Tale Care. Stay Cool. And catch me on the Flipper!_Luv ya_Spiked_
July 12th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Greta Van Sustern had a two-part interview with the foreman of the Jury.. He is the 33 year old coach..He admitted they didn't research the evidence… I think he went in like a pit bull, and convinced the two who weren't in agreement to not convict Casey…He also couldn't rule out George as the possible killer..(rolling eyes) I can see why the Jurors would be intimidated by him.. Look for a book deal for him soon.. I wouldn't waste a dime on the guy, or any of the Jurors….Casey's book will be filled with lies. I would consider reading a book by Lee, but I think he wants to wipe his hands of the whole dysfunctional mess, and probably won't write a book.. I still have a feeling Casey will leave jail in the early morning hours today…She has received word of death threats when she is released…Sunday is too obvious, and I don't think jail personnel want to chance it… We will see, or maybe not.. The jail will say she has been released, but when did she leave? There may be a caravan of dark windowed cars, but will it be a ploy to throw off the public, with no Casey inside? I know Jane Valez Mitchell will find her, if she's to be found..lol
July 13th, 2011 at 3:39 am
The names of potential jurors was giving to the lawyers. They investagated the list that was given. looking at the fb pages, their arrest records if any.. they could find out alot about each potential juror..
Look are there any high paid jurors that was picked.
How much would it take to get one of two, maybe even three of the jurors to say they would make reason for a mistrial, by talking about the case before the deliberations, and then during the deliberations they will make it appear that there was not enough evidence to convict.. A few hundred thousand dollars is a drop in the bucket to the millions that could be made if the verdict was NOT guilty.. Just saying……….what if..
There is a open case about tampering with atleast one witness. if u would tamper with a witness why wouldnt u tamper with the bigggggggg pay off the jurors.
I am not saying it happened, just saying wow it dont seem to impossible to me..
July 13th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
The defense attorneys did their jobs. They introduced doubt. I would like to read the transcripts of the trial AND see the charges to the jury. NO ONE but those jurors heard the entire case day in and day out. As much as we all want to despise the defendant, she was found NOT guilty by a jury who heard the entire case. The jurors were not convinced. I do not know how any of you can state "the evidence was there" when you were not. All the public have heard is coming from the press/media. Our gut feelings do not matter. I think it egregious that the defense can make defamatory remarks that have no basis in fact and are not evidence, but that's what happened, and that helped create doubt. Also, the foresenic evidence was stale and the prosecution was simply unable to link the mother to the crime. Don't get me wrong, I was absolutely shocked and saddened that the defendant was not found guilty, but then I wasn't in that courtroom every minute of that trial.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
The evidence wasn't there? Wrong. What wasn't there was the jurors' maddening inability to realize that "evidence" isn't confined to forensics but to circumstances and that jurors are presumed to be able to think and connect the dots. Circumstantial evidence has in the past proved more powerful than forensics. Dear brainless Orlando jurists and their followers, what in God's name do you think comprised evidence in the days before DNA, fingerprints, blood types and the like
existed? Thoughts! Thinking! Asking yourselves why a woman would not only fail to
report her two-year old missing for 31 days but also tell palbable lies to mislead them on their search for her. There is something in the water in Orlando and it isn't safe to drink.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Not guilty insures the Jurors more money, book deals. etc.. They know they won't be held accountable, so they throw out a not- guilty verdict, knowing there is enough circumstantial evidence to convict her….Think of Scott Peterson…If I didn't know better, I'd think the Casey Jury were the same people who served on the OJ Jury.. I hope Casey finds herself so in debt with the people she abused in the search for Caylee, and the so called "nanny" that she will be penniless…Isn't it 70.000 she owes to the IRS? Jose' will be busy for awhile trying to make deals for her to earn money, but will anyone buy her story? I can't and won't…She can't differentiate between the truth and lies..She will never admit anything..What can she say that we don't already know.. just more lies.. IMO
July 18th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Please tell me your kidding?
July 18th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
nope
July 18th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
And still we dont know the story. She was found Not Guilty. There are too many doubts about George. He threw her under the bus somewhere, and I am not sure where. Those jurors were made to leave their family and the way the public treats them is a discust. It means no one really believes in out system, so why say we have the best system? We dont . Too much is hidden from the jury, and the cops should have went after every family member. Why did George sneak to the police station, then say CIndy would be mad? He has something big to hide. I said it before and will say it again, A HUGE part of this story is missing. I think the media will be responsible if she gets killed. While they are guessing where she is, other missing children are being ignored. Move on!!
July 19th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
george, had nothing to do with the death of Caylee, George knows Casey murdered little Caylee, he said in his police interview, it sickens me to think i may have bought some one into this world who would take the life of a child. Read the interview. Florida has a weird law system. here in Australia, the jury hears and sees all the evidence, persons who are to testify are not allowed in the courtroom before or after they give their testimony, and the defence has to have a dam good reason for the defendant not to take the stand. usually this has to be supported by psychologists indicating the defendant is not fit to take the stand. florida sure has a weird system. there was more than enough circumstancial evidence to convict Casey Anthony of the murder of Caylee. here in Australia she would be serving life in prison at this very moment.
July 23rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
The Jury stopped the proceedings "mid- trial" and asked to look at an item entered into evidence.
Everything was put on hold, protective gloves were passed out to the Jurors, and they passed around the "pink heart sticker" found in the area where Caylee's body was discovered. Judge Perry stated "The Jury has requested" …. he didn't say "One of the Jurors has requested". Jurors are instructed, and continually reminded, not to discuss things amongst themselves. How is it possible to ask to view evidence before deliberating? I have never in my life heard of a Jury do anything like this before. Wouldn't such a request raise very serious concern with the Judge and/or the Prosecution?
July 23rd, 2011 at 11:05 am
I don't think George was guilty of anything, i think he was expected to go along for the ride, his wife is just as controlling as casey. If you noticed in all of the tapes and testimony casey and cindy were running the show all along and cindy was going to cover for her daughter no matter what. Poor George and Lee are the only normal ones in this family i hope they run and run far from them two nut jobs.
July 31st, 2011 at 1:41 am
casey anthony is a murderer- she premeditated killing this baby and 12 idiots let her get away with it- when george was on the stand i was riveted- his eyes and voice was full of fear telling the truth when he smelled death coming from that car- he KNEW she killed that baby- recounting with horror the way all those maggots were making noises in the back of that car… she just can't get away with this in the long run- karma, universal law- just won't allow her to get away- but on july5 2011 evil won over good…evil-